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Poster: doodle Date: Jun 6, 2006 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

I am as sorry as the nxt guy that Vince is gone. The loss of human life is always tragic. The fact that Vince may or may not have taken his own is sad and confusing. But, for the endless stream of people who are now taking the time to fill up this site with the bashing of other people (i.e. the rest of the band), just freakin' drop it. You all read this one guy's editorial, and I stress, EDITORIAL, and you take it as the gospel truth and you all ordain yourselves worthy of casting judgement, like anyone has to answer to you. Get off your high-horses. I read this guy's post and it sounds like someone lost a friend and that they're pretty emotional. Period. Let him grieve, let him vent, let him whatever, but don't be the stupid mob that then rushes to burn down the monster's castle only to find out that you are in fact the cruel heartless, mean ones who have rushed to judgement and caused irreparable damage.
Peace

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Poster: Olias of Sunhillow Date: Jun 6, 2006 8:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

I very much agree with what doodle has said here.

It is unfortunate that Vince's passing is being used as an excuse for the Weir-bashers to again unleash their vitriolic rants. Bob Weir is no saint, and his interview about the Archive SBDs was inexcusable. But no one in the Dead was above reproach -- those of you who worship at the shrine of St. Jerry need to remember that he was not above acts that seem callous or unfeeling then or in retrospect. Jerry's passing was not the cause of the Dead's downfall, but rather was the conclusion of that process -- unlike the other surviving members, Vince included, Jerry had the "good fortune" to pass before things inevitably got messy and the fact that NONE of the boys were angels became obvious.

The thread at vincewelnick.com includes inciteful posts that suggest that the Dead were "Jerry with a backing band" -- listen to any show from 1986 and tell me if you seriously feel that way -- and that Bob Weir is basically directly responsible for Vince's decision to take his own life. This kind of uninformed, incendiary CRAP shows that Deadheads, like the Dead themselves, are very capable of acting in reprehensible ways.

This post was modified by Olias of Sunhillow on 2006-06-07 03:42:36

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Poster: mUSICPLAYS THE BAND Date: Jun 6, 2006 10:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

I have to speak out now. I can't keep it in any longer. The music is OURS( The dead and the heads) I go to listen to some classic jams to ease my soul that was recorded by my brother with consent from my other brothers and now all i experience is some broken up streaming bullshit from the GD Family. fuck You GDM.I call for an official boycott. The Music is OURS!!!!! I recently saw a Ratdog show. It was the last one i will ever attend. It was the worst conceert i have ever seen. This is the end of an era! Pack it up now ....while you can save some dignity. RIP Vince NOdge

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Poster: laowai Date: Jun 7, 2006 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

My this thread has moved a long way from poor Vince.

There seem to be lots of Weir haters. I can understand that after his immature SEE YA though I don't agree with every invective. I am a big fan of Barlow in his post-Dead career with EFF. Bet those two have a lot to talk about. If they ever talk..

How did musicians make money before the wax cylinder? Did they not do what BB King has just finally stopped doing? Did they not get off their arses ( or asses ) when they wanted some money and actually play in realtime to live living people?

By the same token, should we all not be making the effort to remember what music is really about and making sure we get off our arses to go and see some live bands play in between stream-grabbing and aud-downloading? Maybe you are - good on you - but what is the point in downloading more music than you can listen to? Don't defend yourself with the 'collector' tag, You're not collector you're a hoarder. You know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Why do you want a 'personal archive?' What are you? The Smithsonian? If you trade, introduce and share fair enough but if you admit you haven't listened to a lot of it...

I like to think that playing music live in the here and now is what Jerry was about. I hope it's what LMA is about too. Promoting the joy of witnessing music played right there where you are. It's wonderful to have the ability to visit the there and then from a PC, laptop, tape machine CD player, whatever. We were so lucky to have so much access to so much good music for so long. And you know we can still dip in when we want.

Maybe if The Dead had kept playing Ramrod could have kept his job. He would have had something to do. I doubt whether the popularity of LMA had anything to do with that decision.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Jun 7, 2006 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, RIP

Agree. If anything LMA popularity created a massive resurgence in gd interest. It sure did it for me.

It would appear that this fooled the opportunistic GDM into believing that somehow ALL of the sbd's had some kind of value in the mainstream market, when the real value was in the hearts of the live music sub-culture members.

Deadheads and other live music fanatics are not special or superior, just different (and in some cases really, really different). They embrace the live music artform for all the same reasons mainstream audiences reject it.

RIP Ramrod.
RIP Vince.

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Poster: lostmoon Date: Jun 10, 2006 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, RIP

Never was a huge Vince fan, but it is always time for pause when someone you know passes on.

As far as GDM & the GD go, the LMA has provide me an opportunity to move on into the "what came next" part of my musical life. I don't agree w/what GDM did, but it is not my call.

Sure, I like reaching into my own GD archive now & again, but not nearly at the rate I use to - and I certainly don't get my checkbook out anymore...
There is too much new stuff out there to check out.

Vince, may you forever RIP.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jun 6, 2006 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

It's too bad IF Vince killed himself. I believe most suicides are a rather selfish act to get "back" at people. That big WHY? and what did I do wrong? He had his own demons and charactor flaws to deal with (as we all do).
And, assuming that it was suicide, Vince chose death over life, and where the chips may fall as a result -with some survivors playing the blamegame. Which sucks.
He's gone, (maybe his choice) and I'll miss him. I enjoyed his contribution to the GD and Missing Man Formation.
On a lighter note (dare I?) i bet Bruce Hornsby is shittin bricks!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 6, 2006 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

lol!!! yeah, this don't bode well for hornsby does it. that would suck from a human and musical perspective. i love hornsby's playin.
btw - i do agree with you on the suicide issue. it is one of the most selfish acts a human can perform. i have known several people over the years who have done this, and the emotionally crippling ripple effect on those who loved them is enormous. death through illness is devastating enough. i can certainly "understand" why one may do it (lord know i had serious thoughts of that during hard times in the past) - but understanding does not do anything to alleviate the utter selfishness of the act itself. (damn, i am a windbag today)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 6, 2006 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

dear mr. doodle,
"we" are just NOW taking the time to bash the other band members??? guess you haven't been on this site too long. and if you took the time to read my last post, i said the editorial was hearsay. i just happened to believe it contains more than a grain of truth.
i had previously cast my judgment on bob weir from the words i listened to him speak. when any person speaks forth publicly with his/her views on issues - i am certainly "worthy of casting judgment" when it comes to his/her spoken opinion on the issue in question. his interview several months back said it all. the "monsters castle" burned down many months ago in the viewpoint of many dead fans. any irreperable damage has not been caused by those rushing to judgment - it was caused by the spoken word.
and by the way, the archive was kind enough to put in seperate grateful dead forum - so we don't have to "drop it." if you don't like what is said in these forums, only read the etree (et.al.) forums.

p.s.
(i can be kind of cruel and heartless at times, so i'll give you that one) :)
plus, i'm kinda bored at work today